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Post by max69 on Jun 21, 2005 16:19:37 GMT -5
There are straight shots done because of the computers themselves. There are programs within some laptop computers (IBM) - making staight shots possible. scandalplayer, I own an IBM laptop, and there is nothing on this machine that would make straight shots, or any other shot for me. There is nothing that controls the mouse except my hand. You claim there is some hardware that enables a person to cheat, or even controls the game for them. In one of your posts you even said something about using 2 screens. For any of this I would like to see (without step-by-step instructions) proof.
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Post by scandalplayer on Jun 21, 2005 17:11:55 GMT -5
scandalplayer, I own an IBM laptop, and there is nothing on this machine that would make straight shots, or any other shot for me. Max69! I havnt this machine myself - but ask "Bulten i Bo" He showed me - I saw it with my own eyes. He said he had a new IBM laptop He told me though - he didnt use it himself. Ive seen simular shots in the eliteleague though. No doubt about it. Scandal
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Post by Mike on Jun 25, 2005 15:16:23 GMT -5
She is exactly right. If Rocketman enabled this feature, everytime you clicked the mouse the cue would be at a random angle, making it 85% impossible making that shot no matter what stupid cheat you use. I personally can't wait. I'm actually looking forward to this. Maybe league matches won't piss me off anymore. Come on Rocketman, i can't bear with all these annoying cheats anymore.
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Post by scandalplayer on Jun 25, 2005 15:43:32 GMT -5
The only one who can really answer this question is Rocketman and he hasn't said SHIT throughout this whole discussion. Of course Rm doesnt say anything. He is busy juggling And if he juggles he might even use straight shots himself ! He might just use an external software like a diving-board or something. So I guess he is really wise not saying anything Scandal
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Post by beowolf on Jun 25, 2005 20:50:22 GMT -5
Maybe its time to tighten up about the issue in this thread, and maybe its time for Chris to have some answers for us. The debate on pb20 is fading out, and if RM would have commented himself, I believe he would have done so by now. Yes, SelinaKyle - you are not the only one finding this very frustrating.
Even more frustrating - those "in power" chose sadly enough not to do anything about it... - so far.
Chris promised to come back and answer the questions raised, and I expect a conclusion any day now. I can only see 2 reasonable ways out of this - either will the cheats be "fixed" - or we must make every cheat publically known, so the honest player will know what to look for. Maybe Chris have other suggestions - but at least we must stop protecting the cheaters.
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Post by Rocketman on Jun 27, 2005 14:42:11 GMT -5
I just modified the couronne game a little. Now, everytime you press the mouse button to aim, there is a small random angle added to the cue's initial angle, so, you can forget "raka", mouse macros, or mouse key pad stuff, cheaters will miss the shot in about 4 tries out of 5.
So, I really hope this will be the end of the discussion.
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Post by scandalplayer on Jun 27, 2005 15:04:33 GMT -5
I just modified the couronne game a little. So, I really hope this will be the end of the discussion. No Mr Rocketman - This is just the beginning. Cu soon! Scandal
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Post by beowolf on Jun 27, 2005 15:50:55 GMT -5
I just modified the couronne game a little. Now, everytime you press the mouse button to aim, there is a small random angle added to the cue's initial angle, so, you can forget "raka", mouse macros, or mouse key pad stuff, cheaters will miss the shot in about 4 tries out of 5. Thank you for your effort to deliver a good product. I hope the discussion about all aspects of the game will continue to the benefit of all. It can only be in everyones interest to have the best game possible. As far as the straight shots are concerned - lets hope the problem is solved.
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Post by Hook on Jun 27, 2005 17:44:28 GMT -5
I just modified the couronne game a little. Now, everytime you press the mouse button to aim, there is a small random angle added to the cue's initial angle, so, you can forget "raka", mouse macros, or mouse key pad stuff, cheaters will miss the shot in about 4 tries out of 5. So, I really hope this will be the end of the discussion. Great news Rocketman! Now everybody will just have to get used to it. Hang in there. I'm sure there will be a lot of bitching about it!
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Post by rogerdeathmaker on Jun 28, 2005 11:10:59 GMT -5
It´s both great and bad. It´s bad for the players which not cheat with the straight ones. So it is as always in many other games, the fair ones will always be affected by the cheaters. And how will they stop this wall shots which is the same ones every time too. Some players seems to have them programmed so they do the same ones every time. I don´t know when they did the change but today i had problem to get a good feeling in the angle shots. Can it depend on the random? One other thing i think they should change in the league is that matches can be a draw or you must win a match with 2 sets marginal. More like the tennis rules. To be green is a bit like having the serve in tennis.
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Post by SelinaKyle on Jun 28, 2005 13:31:49 GMT -5
I just modified the couronne game a little. Now, everytime you press the mouse button to aim, there is a small random angle added to the cue's initial angle, so, you can forget "raka", mouse macros, or mouse key pad stuff, cheaters will miss the shot in about 4 tries out of 5. So, I really hope this will be the end of the discussion. Rock on!
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Post by tc100 on Jun 28, 2005 16:56:50 GMT -5
this is just a silly solution wich is sruggling for those who r using straight shots in a fair way, like my self. And this new system does not make it harder for those players who already using markets for 3 walls and 2 walls etc etc... Its so unfair solution!!!...and btw I think its as well much cheating to use the markets as it is to using office prog, like this whole discusion is about. So why make it harder for some players, I cant face it, this is madness all of these!
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Post by scandalplayer on Jun 28, 2005 17:03:54 GMT -5
I just modified the couronne game a little. Now, everytime you press the mouse button to aim, there is a small random angle added to the cue's initial angle, so, you can forget "raka", mouse macros, or mouse key pad stuff, cheaters will miss the shot in about 4 tries out of 5. [glow=red,2,300]Happened in the new CC - tournament today (28/6-05)[/glow] A player in the new CC - tournament got really mad about the new modification Rocketman did today. When his straight shots didnt work. [glow=red,2,300]Look at his reaction below![/glow] Personally I know you Rocketman hasnt got hold of all those shots. / Scandal
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Post by rogerdeathmaker on Jun 28, 2005 17:46:48 GMT -5
Seem this will be a much bigger problem now. Now it just more luck to suceed with some shots. Rocketman wrote the cheaters will miss 4 out of 5. But now i see the players which not cheat will get the same result. And i have miss some angle shots mayby on the same reasons. Every shot is affected. And it is not so fun to miss a angel shot because of the random thing. Mayby its because of the random thing it had been so many misses today on all kind of wall shots.
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Post by tc100 on Jun 28, 2005 18:04:44 GMT -5
I dont play more games in couronne until the settings are fixed like it was before, it seems mpre like a lottery when u talk about 4 times of 5, not like real skills and some players including my self can do the straight shots without usining some "extra material", this settings sux more then lag in table tennis
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Post by Hektor on Jun 28, 2005 18:58:05 GMT -5
It's simple, he took away straight shots for everyone... A good player knows he will have to adapt to the new situation... Not that hard if you just take your time...
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Post by SelinaKyle on Jun 28, 2005 19:10:15 GMT -5
It's simple, he took away straight shots for everyone... A good player knows he will have to adapt to the new situation... Not that hard if you just take your time... I agree!!! I'm willing to find a way to manage even though I greatly rely on straight shots...If I can learn SO CAN YOU! After all, I am only a girl.
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Post by rogerdeathmaker on Jun 29, 2005 2:32:30 GMT -5
It´s just a game and to win is not the most important thing so it is just to play. I guess the randomize of all shots will just get more advantage to us good defenders. But of course it not so fun when some other shots don´t go as you aim. Yesterday i missed some shots i shot on another brick to hit another so it is a bit stupid. So the real skill shots seems you must been lucky now. So it is just to play more defensive. Even if it is a bit boring.
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Post by Alkelele on Jun 29, 2005 3:25:51 GMT -5
Dudes, I warned you earlier in this thread that this could make the games less strategically interesting, and more like back shot practice sessions/lotteries -- but nobody took their time to give a thoughtful response.
It can be given a very simple explanation: when the miss frequency on back shots is raised from 5-10% to ~50%, it dwarfs the importance of everything else going on in the set before the back shot ending.
It's not the end though. Just as people can train to get a good feel for hitting their back corner, it is possible to get a feel for hitting all other spots behind the line using standard angle shots or 2- and 3-wallers.
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Post by rogerdeathmaker on Jun 29, 2005 4:04:19 GMT -5
It's not the end though. Just as people can train to get a good feel for hitting their back corner, it is possible to get a feel for hitting all other spots behind the line using standard angle shots or 2- and 3-wallers. But the problem every kind of shot must be affected by the random angel. We say you could make a 3-wall shot exactly the same every time. Now when you got the randomized angel the shot will be different every time. But of course you more you angle a shot you don´t be affected as much of the random thing. But i think it will be less of skill now and a bit more luck.
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Post by Alkelele on Jun 29, 2005 5:01:59 GMT -5
Aim/shot relation (possibly doing trick shots comparing cue to board marks like the corners or red line) is not affected at all in my experience, ie. shots are not inflicted with some random angle adjustment after the aiming. Difference is, now starting cue aim is a little different from shot to shot.
I think maybe it is a deception, people have unconciously noted how much they needed to adjust from the 90 degree angle to make some trivial small angle shots and have combined this feel with their aiming to make some of their shots in "sleep mode". Now the adjustment needed varies, and pure aim takes precedence, and I really think that that just takes a few games to get used to!?
But that disregarded, I tend to agree that a little more "back shot shoot out luck" is required to win now than before.
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Post by Chris on Jun 29, 2005 6:17:00 GMT -5
this will be my last post here as i am sooo fed up with all the BS on forums these days and have decided to leave ALL the couronne forums i am at.
i was talking to Rocketman the other day about this thread and gave him the link to it, he read it and immediately implemented the fix. i then immediately went to SP and tested it for him.
i have found there to be NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever in the way i play my game. i dont cheat and dont need to.
for those complaining............ remember these words.
"Be careful what you ask for......... you just may get it!"
my final words to you are.........
go play the game for fun....... i am certain it will not take those with skill any time at all to get used to the adjustment that has been made....... if i can do it i KNOW those that are far better then me can and that is the majority of the people who visit this site!
i hope to see you and play you at shockplay......... but as far as forums go and all those who ruin them by constantly moaning..............CYA!
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Post by max69 on Jun 29, 2005 10:20:04 GMT -5
Chris, I have to say I'm sorry to see you go. You've been a respected member and valuable contributer to the forum. But I also have to say that I can't blame you a bit. The BS is getting out of hand and I've been thinking of calling it quits myself, both on the forums and at SP. Hopefully I'll see you around at SP, at least for a while.
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Post by lacey on Jun 29, 2005 20:25:37 GMT -5
. i hope to see you and play you at shockplay......... but as far as forums go and all those who ruin them by constantly moaning..............CYA! Now that just makes me sad
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Post by scandalplayer on Jun 30, 2005 5:37:57 GMT -5
It's simple, he took away straight shots for everyone... A good player knows he will have to adapt to the new situation... Not that hard if you just take your time... [glow=red,2,300]Yeah - And watch this now - What has happened after adapting to the new situation[/glow] Scandal
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Post by beowolf on Jun 30, 2005 7:05:18 GMT -5
It's simple, he took away straight shots for everyone... A good player knows he will have to adapt to the new situation... Not that hard if you just take your time... [glow=red,2,300]Yeah - And watch this now - What has happened after adapting to the new situation[/glow] ScandalYou make no sense what so ever. What are you trying prove with an animated, manipulated gif?
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Post by max69 on Jun 30, 2005 7:22:17 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Yeah - And watch this now - What has happened after adapting to the new situation[/glow] ScandalYou make no sense what so ever. What are you trying prove with an animated, manipulated gif? And not a very good one at that...
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Post by scandalplayer on Jun 30, 2005 10:06:39 GMT -5
You make no sense what so ever. What are you trying prove with an animated, manipulated gif? Well Beowolf & Max69- I just tried to intoduce some comic view upon some things in this thread for a while. [glow=red,2,300]Toothpaste straight shots[/glow] Like when people now are trying to find out new ways - much practice is needed. [glow=red,2,300]So even in the bathroom[/glow] when you brush your teeth . . . new ways must be found. [glow=red,2,300] This can be a reallity folks[/glow]due to that modification made by Rocketman. Poor wifes to all those couronneplayers will have to go through with all this. They didnt have to before!!!! [glow=red,2,300]Aint cool?[/glow] / Scandal
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Post by beowolf on Jul 3, 2005 4:01:33 GMT -5
Only 2 people declared they were sad to see Chris go. I think that fact, is sad in itself.
Did we really come to this level of selfishness and arrogance, that we cannot acknowledge what a tremendous asset Chris has been to the forums and the shockplay community?
Had I known my posts would contribute to his decision, I would have spared them, although I believe they were quite to the point and no BS.
On a second note - I think we all can be happy about the outcome, gamewise that is.
Thanks
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Post by scandalplayer on Jul 6, 2005 10:38:25 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] Couronne-Training Video[/glow] I just made a Video showing some shots during Couronne Training 2005-07-08. [glow=red,2,300]Maybe some tip-offs after the end of Straight shots [/glow] To see it please [glow=red,2,300]click this link below:[/glow] (But dont forget to plug in your headphones - and play it loud - but not too loud destroying your ears please) and you must have [glow=red,2,300]Windows Media Player [/glow]installed. www.johanssononline.net/CouronneTraining_1_part1_alt2.wmvScandal
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