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Post by AussieAussieAussie on Dec 8, 2003 21:30:32 GMT -5
Bulletz, I for one can attest to your skills and integrity, and I fully support, not grow suspicious of, your vigour in pursuing this phenomenon which is breeding more and more cheats every day. While we've only played a couple of times, our matches are close, interesting and very entertaining, even if I do lose . Anyway, if somebody was actually capable of striking successful straight rebounds time and time again, it would be wonderful, but I just don't reckon it's possible without using methods that I label cheating. I have on occasion pulled off straight rebounds, especially where the opponent's ring hampers an angular approach, and where my ring is very close to the hole, but these experiences are downright scary and preferably avoided. You'll notice the people I, Bulletz, Wolf and others refer to never take the time to gather the concentration required for as difficult a feat as attempting a straight rebound on a ring hard against the barrier, in the middle of the board, behind their line. For the cheats, the only concentration required is for placing their ring on the line with their "normal" mouse. The rest is over in a flash. A bold statement: I don't care who you are, nobody's that good. Even bolder?: Even the best players are likely to take an angular approach to the shot The good players are good not only because of their skill, but because of their commonsense... What are the odds of being able to sink every shot in the circumstances above if you aren't cheating? Pretty slim. The odds stack up for taking the angle. So in conclusion to this ramble, if I play you and you regularly (even these idiots sometimes don't line it up properly!) sink shots with straight rebounds, yet struggle when I push your ring into the corner, I will: ~ call you a cheat; ~ add your name to the other idiots on my list; ~ Post your name here; and ~ defend my stance until you prove otherwise. If Couronne-Crazyers identify a player who exudes the above, I think it's reasonable to assume they're cheating. The criteria are fairly specific, so you will be able to spot these characters fairly easily. Phew! Over.
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Post by sirbobby on Dec 9, 2003 10:49:42 GMT -5
Hi. It make me really sad to hear that there are peoples that think im a cheater. I dont even know what a 2Mouse player doing..Can someone tell me!!!An Bulletz i demand an excuse from you in here..I would never cheat and i dont whant to be called it....Sir Bobby
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Post by Bulletz on Dec 9, 2003 20:31:45 GMT -5
OK people, I might have been a little hasty with the accusation made to Sir Bobby. Please take him off the list as it has been awhile since we last played and also emmie who I trust believes he does not use this dirty trick. p.s. Hektor has been using abnormally straight shots during our league games, both this week and last. I'm very suspicious, but not saying nothing, will let you good people decide. ;D SORRY!!!!!! Sir Bobby
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Post by ReignMakerEss on Dec 10, 2003 18:51:58 GMT -5
I want the thrill of kowing im playin 2 mouse cheater and beat em n e way
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Post by sirbobby on Dec 10, 2003 19:36:51 GMT -5
Hi.. Thanks Bulletz. And thnks all that trust me..
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Post by - F X - on Dec 11, 2003 4:40:30 GMT -5
Well. I can't stand people who cheat. But in the game Couronne I have never seen a player cheating. I am a very "no skills" player and maybe I don't know what it looks like. A 2 mouse player style that is what I mean.So this is what I wanna say to AussieAussieAussie: [glow=orange,3,300]Thank You[/glow] for ur little explaination of it. But this sentence I don't understand an I quote : No i don't want to be a cheater but I do want is to say to the cheating ones : Busted[/b] One thing left what I wanna say "bij de weg" Sorry for my lack of knowledge for foreign languages. I am so Dutch. CU maybe in a game of..... Cheers people
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 11, 2003 8:53:06 GMT -5
[quote author=Bulletz
p.s. Hektor has been using abnormally straight shots during our league games, both this week and last. I'm very suspicious, but not saying nothing, will let you good people decide. ;D
i have now played hektor 7 weeks in a row , a 5 set match per week, in these matches he has gotten ties or wins from very hard straight bank shots, i have never seen 1 of his bank shots not go straight he has won 6/7 ,this guy does not need to cheat he is a great player , but i feel his straight shot has too high a % to be normal
i spoke to him about this and according to him he does not cheat .... hmm
he says he has a trick, but wont say what his (trick) is im not saying hes cheating all the time, i think he just uses it in v important matches
but who knows maybe he will read this an tell us all how he does it
over to u champ
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 11, 2003 9:06:27 GMT -5
hektor u proved nothing to me at all by wiggling your stick a few seconds before u hit your straight shot, infact it made my belief even stronger that u are cheating i hope u find the time to defend yourself on this matter as i had a lot of respect for u i for 1 am hoping that u somehow manage to clear your name as u are a 6 time champ and the top clean sweeper it doesnt say much for the game if the best player is cheating any more views on this matter welcome
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Post by Hook on Dec 11, 2003 11:23:18 GMT -5
Mmm… I played Hektor in your tournament last night Wolfe. We went the whole 7 games. Did Hektor use the straight bank shot? Yes, he did a couple of times. But he also used angle banks and the 3 rail banks extensively. There were quite a few times where the straight bank was an option, but he chose to use the 3 rail banks (and d**n, he is good at those). In my opinion, I believe that a player with Hektors skill would be effective at hitting straight banks pretty consistently. If he does use a cheat, it is pretty selectively, as there were a few shots that could have been made easier with the cheat than his chosen shot.
Besides that, if a player with Hektors skill level were to use a cheat, he would be absolutely unbeatable, especially in a 7 game match. Although I never like to post results out here, I beat him last night 4-3. I don’t think I could do that if he was using a cheat.
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Post by Hektor on Dec 11, 2003 13:04:08 GMT -5
Most players know it's possible to shoot straight without a second mouse...much much harder tho. I won't tell you guys my way of doing this cause I have no reason to, I mean why would I give away my tricks away to someone that accuses me of these things? Why would I let him make a profit of accusing me of cheating? In every democracy I know of (and I live in one, I'm sure the rest of you do too) there is a reason why it's the prosecutor is the one that is supposed to come up the proofs and not the defended. His arguments are so poor it shocks me that a guy that used to be my friend has the nerves of posting this here. I mean I don't even think wolf has got any idea of how the second mouse thing works when he says that wiggling on the stick like I was doing doesn't prove anything. The wiggle is just the thing that second mouse thing takes away, thats why it's so good. I proved to you I do not use the second mouse there...(It was in a game between me and him I told him before the shot, I'll prove it to you, and then I placed the chip out and started flipping around with the stick like crazy and then I made the shot straight, and since I didn't tell him how I did it, I was a cheater even after I proved it) I can give you guys a few arguments thats speaks in my favor. #1) I was the one making the second mouse cheat public for everyone, if I intended to use it I would probably just have kept it to myself. #2) I was the one busting S-M-V and his friends for doing this. #3) I have been using my way of doing straight shots since the second week I came to shockplay, I came up with my way of doing it on my own, months before I even knew of S-M-V and his cheat. #4) I have been pushing Rocketman about making a fix for this cheat, and I am the one who came up with the solution that he is going to add as soon as he has the time. The solution I told him about that the stick popping up at a random angle in a small area around the 90degrees angle, won't affect the normal shots very much just a little... I Hope this proves enough for you guys, cause I have never been cheating against anyone and I'm intending not to in the future, I hope we all can keep shockplay free from cheats where so many other online-games has failed. Last I want to say thanks to Hook for defending me
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Post by ReignMakerEss on Dec 11, 2003 14:02:04 GMT -5
And if i might add -- Hook is known for speakin up loudly when it comes to suspected cheats. He not only does not remain silent or passive about the matter -- he has a strong history of sharing with us who the cheats are (and this goes many months back to when he first exposed Couronne Devil on miniclip). So id say Hook has had good practice at knowing what they look like, how they operate, and how to bring all this to the table. Do the accusers have this same background and credibility? So Hooks defense of Hektor is not a light matter. And a valuable source for Hektor vindication-ism...lol
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Post by Bulletz on Dec 11, 2003 17:00:46 GMT -5
Hmmmm we'll just have to wait and see....... I'm still an angle BTW I would never dream of cheating. I welcome all of Shockplay to watch my games, as long as you're quiet I don't mind, the more the merrier ;D
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 11, 2003 17:13:09 GMT -5
i would never dream of asking for someones tricks,as i have many up my sleeve that i will tell very few ppl celina told me how u do your trick, im not sure if its cheating 1 more question for u..... how many hands do u use when u are playing your trick straight shot i know the answer to this an therefore i cant help but have quite strong views on this matter
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Post by Hektor on Dec 11, 2003 18:14:45 GMT -5
My trick builds on the same principle as the 3waller and I do not consider it a cheat, so therefore I do not consider my straight shot a cheat. And I don't think you consider yourself a cheater since you use the 3waller too
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 11, 2003 18:35:41 GMT -5
u didnt say how many hands u use so ill tell everyone hektors uses both hands when making his straight shot what do u think of that 1 ppl? two hands for 1 shot this and the fact hektor told 5 weeks ago that he has the 2 mouse device , although he said he only used it in training ..... i find this hard to believe when he is making these shots so straight i also find it funny that u are using the cheat in training and still cant beat my score
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Post by sese on Dec 11, 2003 19:01:59 GMT -5
Well wolf thats because u dont know how it looks like when someone use the "second mouse device".
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Post by Hektor on Dec 11, 2003 22:44:05 GMT -5
I have never been using it in training to beat my highscore and I specificly said that. I tried the second mouse cheat out in the couronne training 1½ month ago to check out how it works not trying to break my highscore just to get a idea how it works. Very low of you wolf to try and twist the reality and what I say to make a false point.
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Post by powermoln on Dec 11, 2003 23:33:55 GMT -5
This comunity is so screwed up....
The only cheating Hektor is liable of is abusing with my account to make celinakyle get a better position in the leage game....(See other subject on this forum.) he pissed me off badly by doing that. But other then that your so called 2-mouse trick he does not use he got really pissed at me for using it, he even refuse to play me now.
About the 2-mouse trick i'll reveal it again because i dont concider it cheating, most people using it probably dont even have 2 mice. its easier to just use the builtin mousekeys that comes with your windows 98/2k/xp and probably others.... that way you can do straight shots all the time. then there are drivers and other programs that you can use to just hold a key and your mouse will only move in 45 degree angle shots. And ofcourse the one you all talk about the 2-mouse.... simply get a 2nd ball mouse and remove the wheel in the mouse that makes the mouse move sideways.... theres the possible ways of cheating as you guys call it.
About him using 2 hands when making straight shots, is not neccecary but makes things easier when making straight shots..... what he does is use his thumb to aim with.He puts it on the screen to get a line of where the stick is. Then its just to raise the power and make sure the stick is in the same line. its not that easy explaining how its done exactly without showing. you could just use text and other lines thats in the chatbox under the board when you play as help of where to aim.
Anything else this dumb comunity want to know? =)
I will explaine it better how to use these so called cheats if you guys are interested in knowing on MSN: powermoln@hotmail.com
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Post by Hook on Dec 12, 2003 1:29:26 GMT -5
I will never understand why some people feel the need to post these cheats in a public forum. Even if you don't personally think it is cheating it is obviously a point of contention, why fan the flames. Hopefully Rocketman will have the fix implemented soon so you can go back to being a below average player. Ever wonder why a fix is being developed and implemented for something that is not even a cheat?? Probably not... This comunity is so screwed up.... So in your little world when people don't agree with you they are screwed up.
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Post by Hook on Dec 12, 2003 1:31:55 GMT -5
..... what he does is use his thumb to aim with.He puts it on the screen to get a line of where the stick is. Simple solution. Hektor, I hate to tell you, but we have to cut off your thumbs.
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Post by Bulletz on Dec 12, 2003 5:59:02 GMT -5
ROFL
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 12, 2003 9:15:16 GMT -5
hektor had 1817 up untill 4 weeks ago , he only got his 1878 in the last 3 weeks i know this for a fact so celina stop talking through your arse please
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Post by The Wolf on Dec 12, 2003 9:16:54 GMT -5
im sure hektor will admit to this, if not i know for a fact something fishy is going on
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Post by powermoln on Dec 12, 2003 16:03:41 GMT -5
i dont get something here? hektor cheats because he gets good points on couronne training? and because he beats everyone all the time, winning the league every week? that makes him a cheater?
Not the fact that he is online 16 hours a day. how much do you guys play a day? he does not cheat i know this.... all you know is that you are apset cause he kicks your ass at this game and you cant accept it? get over it practice harder or something...
The guy is very skilled at all games he plays, and he plays more then most of you guys, thats probably why he does so much better? practice is everything and that goes for all gaming and sports, + that he is a tallent at games overall...
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Post by ReignMakerEss on Dec 12, 2003 17:02:28 GMT -5
well sed powermoln
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Post by Hiasl on Dec 14, 2003 22:17:46 GMT -5
Hello i'm Hiasl E-F the Cheater Ok, i live in german and i have only ONE mouse, and i play with only one mouse, but it's a microsoft mouse. I think microsoft is the Cheater Or is the problem my 23 fingers on my right hand?! Ok it's a joke. I like couronne and i play this for fun only for FUN ( and i hope i win, i think your wish is the same). When you lose are you angree ( Bulletz) ?! Why?! It's fun, you can't always win! And i think everyone have a lucky game or a bad game. When i have a lucky game, is this a Cheat? We are a big family please let us play for fun. And the 2 mouse Cheat...what is this? ? I play/lose/win honourable! thx friends ( gg / gs/ ns....and all this good things)
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Post by Hook on Dec 14, 2003 23:04:06 GMT -5
Hey Haisl! Welcome to the forums. It is probably difficult, but don't let the accusations bother you. Seems that there have been a flurry of unfounded accusations lately.
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Post by Hiasl on Dec 15, 2003 11:41:57 GMT -5
Hey Hook,Hey Friends thank for Your Welcome, I think the same one as you do. I do not want to do also any annoyance, I want to say only the I no swindler am. Everyone thinks else " Hiasl a swindler " is everyone does the same one became. Bulletz excused, we are again friends. Nobody has to give me a second chance which does not want to play with me and want to believe that I am a cheater, that one is supposed not to choose me. Now I said that and now I am again happy. For me this topic is ended. Thanks to for that they my contribution have read, and I look forward to good games with you. Excuse for my bad English. Greeting Hiasl
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Post by jonne77 on Dec 18, 2003 8:00:59 GMT -5
Is playing with a third mouse cheating too
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Post by ReignMakerEss on Dec 18, 2003 16:03:41 GMT -5
i heard NoWay-U-Win has like 14...one night he told me had been drinking and has mice crowling all over him and he was then ready ta roq.
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